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Wednesday, February 15, 2006

The Next Prius?

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By Peter Fairley

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What's holding back commercialization is cost. A diesel-powered car in Europe already costs $1,750-2,400 more than an equivalent gasoline model, and PSA estimates that making a diesel hybrid could double that premium. Hence, PSA says controlling costs will be a challenge, but it is starting to engineer cost-shaving solutions.

PSA hopes to secure funding from the French government's newly formed Agency for Industrial Innovation to create a consortium of manufacturers and research labs dedicated to slashing the cost of producing its diesel hybrid. French President Jacques Chirac last month endorsed that goal, but funding is still up in the air.

Meanwhile, Renault, PSA's domestic rival, is one of the last hybrid holdouts. Renault partner Nissan is licensing Toyota's hybrid system to produce a gas-electric hybrid version of its Altima sedan next year, but neither Renault nor Nissan has committed fully to the technology. At the Tokyo Motor Show last fall, Carlos Ghosn, CEO of both companies, called the hybrid a serious technological option, but also warned that the industry "must be careful not to impose expensive solutions until consumers are ready to adopt them."

What's clear is that diesel hybrid technology has significant potential. According to a 2003 study by MIT's Laboratory for Energy and the Environment, a study that remains one of the most comprehensive projections for propulsion technologies, diesel hybrids should outperform nearly all other propulsion technologies through 2020 -- including fuel-cell cars that run on hydrogen derived onboard from gasoline. Fuel cells using pure hydrogen offered a marginal benefit in efficiency, but only when combined with hybrid technology, and at a significantly higher price. Other research programs have demonstrated that diesel hybrids can deliver efficiencies of 80 mpg and up.

If diesel hybrids do succeed in Europe, could they make it in the United States? Until recently, that would have seemed unlikely. With diesel's dirtier fuel and with tighter U.S. pollution controls, diesels have been a tough sell stateside. Although they account for half of all cars sold in Europe, that figure is just 3 percent in the U.S. market.

But diesel's fortunes could improve quickly in the United States. Federal regulations mandate the phasing in of cleaner diesel fuels starting this year. And pollution controls such as particle filters are getting cheaper, as they become standard equipment in Europe (PSA alone has placed more than one million filters on its European diesels). Clean diesels that employ such devices may qualify for the same federal tax credits that make hybrid cars a good buy in the United States.

Anthony Pratt, who tracks hybrid vehicles markets as senior manager at Global Powertrain for J.D. Power and Associates in Westlake Village, CA, says he anticipates that hybrid diesels will hit the U.S. market after 2009, but have a limited appeal because of their higher price tags. "This technology will likely be utilized in a luxury brand with a high base price," Pratt says. "Luxury buyers have more disposable income and will not be looking for an economic payback from the vehicle."

Peter Fairley is a Technology Review contributing writer based in Paris.

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  • The next Prius
    Guest (dk5ate) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Seems a bit crazy to add the cost of a diesel to the already expensive hybrid. Why not just diesels. The hybrid seems misplaced whether gas, diesel or fuel cell. Just keep improving the IC engine and move to hydrogen when nuclear and renewable become more commonplace.
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  • Peugeot's ZEV button
    Guest (Felix Kramer) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    "utton on the dashboard labeled "ZEV" that enables the driver to put the vehicle into a battery-only, "zero-emissions" mode at speeds up to 50 kilometer per hour."

    That sounds a bit like the EV button in Prius (about 1 mile electric range) that inspired us (CalCars.org) to build PRIUS+. Or maybe it's like DaimlerChrysler's Sprinter van plug-in hybrid prototypes (20 mile range). Can anyone point to specs on the battery's capacity and range?
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    • Why not hydrogen combustion engine?
      Guest (Gabe) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Hydrogen could be used as a regular fuel in internal combustion engines. No expensive fuel cell or hybrid technology needed. Yes, the range of the hydrogen powered vehicles would be shorter. Nevertheless, most people have short commutes - no need for a 500 mile range.
      The hydrogen could be produced from nuclear power, hence the entire energy chain would be clean. No dirty oil involved (politically and environmentally), no carbon emissions either. And disposing of the radioactive waste is an overblown problem - in fact there is no problem. The writing is on the wall, people just have to see it.
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      • Being discussed
        Guest (David) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        There's been some discussion of hydrogen combustion with boron hydride derivative as a fuel carrier.  In many ways, the chemistry/technology is not new.  But making sure it's safe is still an issue.  I'd prefer the combustion engine to fuel cell/electric at this point.
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      • RE:  Why not hydrogen combustion engine?
        Guest (Larry Rose) on 03/01/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        Gabe,
        the Fuel cell foccus stores 4 kg of usable hydrogen,  that is very close to the energy in 4 US gal of gasoline.  If that same tank were used in a std Foccus convereted to run on H2, without hybrid built in,  your range in an H2 ICE Foccus would be about 88-140 miles (22-35 mpg),  depending on how you drive and transmission choice.  Also,  a Kg of H2 retails right now for $3.00
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    • ZEV range
      Guest (Peter Fairley) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      According to PSA their diesel hybrids have a 5km range in ZEV mode. The battery is a 6.5Ah NiMH battery, which I believe is similar to what the Prius carries.
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  • We need these compact diesel-electric hybrids in the USA!
    Guest (Renewable Electricity Solutions) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    These French PSA Peugeot Citroën cars are excellent! I want their hybrid compact car with the '3.4 liters per 100 km (or 69 mpg)' fuel economy which has a ' 'zero-emissions' mode at speeds up to 50 kilometer per hour' (34.5 miles/h)! It is also great that this French company makes battery electric cars, but they need to import those cars to the USA!
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    • Re: We need these compact diesel-electric hybrids in the USA!
      GreenCar on 05/09/2007 at 3:53 PM
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      I have been interested in Citroen and Peugeot vehicles for some time.  Even their non hybrid small and midsized Diesel powered vehicles get great fuel mileage, typically 30-40+ city/ 50-60+ highway.  Though they are not currently sold in the US, my communications with them have discovered US sales are still an option.  The best way to persuade PSA Peugeot Citroen to bring these cars into the US is to contact them and provide hits on their web site.  View their web address at http://www.citroen.com/CWW/en-US/RANGE/PrivateCars/C4_5p/default/08112005_MOTORISATION.htm  The en-US in the address appears to be English language USA, so its critical to hit this address for them to count US hits.  I have not seen a US Peugeot web site.  The Citroen web site shows fuel mileage figures of 39/58.6 mpg for the C4, a mid size Citroen.  (To calculate US MPG divide 234.36 by the l/100Km listed.)  For those not familiar with European terminology they measure fuel consumption in liters consumed per 100 Kilometers driven.  Urban is city driving, Extra-urban is highway, and combined is mixed driving.  For even better efficiency check out the C3, C2, and C1.  The C1 diesel gets 69MPG Highway.  How about a C1 Hybrid?
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  • speaking of hydrogen cars...
    Guest (Gabe) on 02/15/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Mazda is already making a car suitable for hydrogen combustion. Paste this link into your browser:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/02/15/mazda_hydrogen_car.reut/index.html
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  • Diesel Hybrids
    Guest (Priusmaniac) on 02/16/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    This diesel trend is just going the wrong way. It makes the thermal engine part of an hybrid vehicle larger, heavier and more costly; while exactly the opposite is sought. A small, light and cheap engine. Something that leaves spare mass, volume and money for more powerfull motors and batteries.
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  • Would a small turbine engine be more efficient then ICE?
    Guest (bill) on 03/01/2006 at 12:00 AM
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    Always curious about this.  It seems like a small turbine engine would be more efficient than an ICE for the power generation component of a hybrid system.  Any thoughts?
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    • RE:  Small turbine
      Guest (Larry Rose) on 03/01/2006 at 12:00 AM
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      Altho a turbine is ideal for electrical generation,  they are limited by Carno efficency  to about 30% for a simple cycle. a TDI ICE has a peak efficency of about 42%. If a bottoming cycle were used (like in powerplants) to make use of the HOT exhaust, They could be as efficenbt as a fuel cell,  and burn dam near anything,  because they run so hot.  NOx emmisions could be a problem,  as combustion tempratures are driven higher for better efficency.
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      • re small turbines
        Guest (swchristensen) on 05/12/2006 at 12:00 AM
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        what about using then ethynol?
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